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May 15, 2018
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May 15, 2018
Jesse Livingston, User Researcher at LinkedIn Talent Solutions, says a fundamental goal of his team’s research is to help companies gain a deeper understanding of their own culture, to set the stage for them to hire the right people. And often, that means looking and thinking beyond the resume.
People Nerds spoke with Livingston as part of a “deep dive” conversation series with LinkedIn’s Enterprise UX team.
Jesse Livingston: As a conductor, a big part of your job is you're standing in front of an orchestra. You're looking out. You're watching people play. You're listening to the sounds you're getting, and your job really is to facilitate them to make beautiful music and to play expressively. I'm watching behavior. I'm getting feedback. I'm seeing, oh, wait this violinist looks like she's really behind. What can I do to react to that? Even that basic skill of getting outside your own head and being able to empathize with another human being, which obviously is fundamental to what we do in user research, is absolutely core to what you do as a conductor. The worst conductors are the ones that are in their own world. They don't care about the orchestra.
What I found was when I went to user research, this core drive to solve problems for people, understand what they're going through, and how we can think creatively to improve whatever scenario that they're in—it was very similar.
Absolutely. One thing conductors talk a lot about is that you don't conduct with your hands. You conduct with your eyes. There's a sense in which a conductor is both observing people and communicating in that capacity as well. In a hiring context, there really is a lot of overlap with that. We often think that it’s really up to the candidate to know themselves and be able to communicate what's below the surface—the things they want from a job but maybe haven’t really articulated before. Unfortunately, most of us don't have a framework for understanding what job would be perfect for us, and so much of it actually has to do with the stuff that’s beneath the resume. Those core natural talents, like leadership style, how people communicate or work together, how they react in a system of rules and constraints. People need to think about whether they’re going to thrive in a situation where they’re constantly being asked to think outside the box, or whether they’re better off in an environment that’s more risk-averse. But these considerations aren’t really captured on your resume or your LinkedIn profile. And they aren’t something that a lot of us even necessarily think about.
What we hear constantly from customers is how difficult it is to find quality candidates, so what I started doing was trying to ask, what does quality really mean for people, specifically beneath and beyond the resume? I talked to a small group of recruiters and asked them: how do you identify candidate quality outside of the resume? What do you look at? What are you determining?
For recruiters, it's a hugely important part of their process, trying to identify those intangibles beyond specific skill sets. And the recruiters I spoke with don’t have an effective way of doing it yet. Sometimes they’ll ask a set of behavior-based interview questions. Other times they’ll try to discern it from something as vague as whether or not they liked the person. But neither of those approaches really gets to the core of identifying where a person is going to thrive. Again, it’s difficult because it’s not intuitive. What's intuitive is this is a JavaScript developer, so I need them to be able to know JavaScript, HTML, CSS, and a few other front-end languages. What's not intuitive, per se, is leadership style, or these more fundamental areas of how people work. And those things are so important, in part because they’re really hard to change.
It’s such an important issue, I think it’s really incumbent on us to make inroads on this.
I want us to explore how we could help people, and companies, really understand what kind of environment and role helps them thrive.
Jesse Livingston
I want us to explore how we could help people, and companies, really understand what kind of environment and role helps them thrive. Really get into their element, to that place where things are flowing and time sort of disappears.
On a kind of existential level, that can feel like one of the higher states of being for us as humans. It's maybe a rarity for some of us, and not the norm, but the place where that often happens really is a vocational environment. And companies need to be able to set the stage for that to happen.
Ha—it’s true.
Businesses need some kind of tool that both defines these traits that can help you create a “model” for what success looks like in a particular role. Companies can take a handful of their top performers and see where things shake out in these behavioral traits for them. That will give them a rough idea of the kinds of things they want to look for in candidates. Then use the candidates responses as a point of comparison. It's like a resume, but for those off the resume skills.
Because people don’t actually change very much. What changes very easily are skills and domain knowledge. That's what happened with me. I didn't have any specific industry specific skills or domain knowledge with user research, but because I have an analytical, inquisitive mind, and a desire to understand other peoples’ contexts, UX research was a good fit for me. I just needed to learn methods. We need to recognize that we actually all have a series of talents in that respect. We just need to be in roles that leverage them effectively.
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Carrie Neill is a New York based writer, editor, design advocate, bookworm, travel fiend, dessert enthusiast, and a fan of People Nerds everywhere.
